Til beskyttelse av utenlandspensjonistenes rettigheter iht.norsk lov samt demokrati for verdens befolkning.
For the protection of overseas pensioners rights in accordance with the Norwegian Constitution as
well as democracy for all citizens. WE ARE TOTALLY AGAINST TTIP and The New World Order. NWO
The Otium Post
HELLOOO,does'nt anyone care?
Her er litt nostalgi vedr. Kildeskattens innførelse i 2010
more I consider the fate of 'the minimum pensioners', the more I see
the monstrosity in the consequences
it has for us. Why are the weak and defenseless in society hung out
in this way? And
the worse thing is that no one seem to care! In Norway they think
only of themselves.
their low but still statutory minimum pension was reduced by the 15%
source tax which
have no possibility receiving a refund of the tax in their country of
residence. Additionally,all deduction rights were removed, including
the minimum deduction rule and also the special allowances for age.
Something so brilliantly malicious!
strongly doubt the legitimacy of this decision, specifically designed
for the minimum pensioners domiciled abroad. One can not deprive a
group of humans their justful rights just because they have chosen
to settle in another country. Nor can the result of a new law reduce
their pension to become less
than that of their counterparts in Norway.
the expatriate pensioners now have the status of being taxable to
Norway, they should also be entitled to claim their rights
as taxpayers, i.e the minimum deduction rule must still apply, as
well as other special allowance rules. It can not possibly be legal
to separate the tax claims from the current rules only for a group of
citizens just because they are domiciled outside Norway.
in accordance with a tax treaty with Brazil has the rightand
now also deductstax
minimum pensioners,it does not give the tax authorities in Brazil the
opportunity to either tax or refund
tax deducted in Norway. In order for us to be equated with the
minimum pensioners conditions
in Norway,we have thus received the following paragraph in the letter
from the Treasury Department
which should also be applicable outside the EU:
the tax payer after the introduction of source tax on pension is
subject to taxation in Norway of all or virtually all their income,
the tax limitation rule will apply . It therefore allows the tax
payer not to pay income tax or National Insurance contributions to
also that Brazil has very strong laws on the protection of citizens'
rights and privacy, more than is the case in Norway. These laws cover
not only national citizens but also to foreigners residing in Brazil.
It therefore does not allow public access to private tax affairs or
bank accounts. For this reason, the finance minister's intervention
in Brazilian tax matters with a demand for a common bi-lateral tax
collection system from the 'minimum pensioners' domiciled in Brazil
is not acceptable.
will in this context also mention the supreme court decision of 11
December. 2009 in the Stolt-Nilsen
case where the Supreme Court considered whether the Norwegian state
were entitled to demand a copy of the British taxpayer's tax returns
and final tax settlement as proof that the taxpayer was a resident of
the UK for the purpose of tax treaty. The Supreme Court ruled in
conclusion that the Norwegian state was not entitled to make such a
claim as proof of tax residency in the United Kingdom.
minimum pensioners in Norway can not survive without additional
support for housing
medicines and free medical insurance. This support has been
completely removed for the 'minimum pensioners' domiciled abroad, who
must arrange for private health insurance and medicines locally in
their country of domicile.
factor that the Ministry of Finance was not aware of when they took
their hasty decision to introduce
this source tax for the minimum pensioners, are that they now fall
below the minimum income required by Brazil for a retirement visa, in
Brazil the minimum income requirement is U.S. $ 2,000. - Considering
my total tax deductions as from 1 January, I am now under this
minimum income requirement and is at risk to not have my visa
'minimum pensioners' as a group should have retained the same rights
as their countrymen living
in Norway, furthermore,this new tax should not be applied
retroactively for pensioners already
moved abroad several years ago. This decision is also against the
Norwegian constitution, paragraph § 97 which states that 'no new law
shall have retroactive effect'. Denmark took the sensible decision
not to impose the source tax retroactively but only from the date of
the introduction of their source tax. Those of us who moved out
several years ago relied on the predictability of our pensions and
have made our new lives here that can not easily be changed. Several
have entered into marriages with citizens of their new country of
domicile and also have children who attend school here.
my opinion,the minimum pensioners who settled abroad should on the
contrary be rewarded with a 15% 'flagged out tax' for saving the
government future health and extra costs in Norway. Considering the
oncoming 'old peoples wave' expecting to break in 2014,any other
country would have been delighted to allow their senior citizens to
retire to countries outside of Norway even with some financial
benefits on their way.
2011 comes further trials with the new pension reform obligating us
to submit a tax return on a
yearly basis with who knows what subtlety of information requirements
from the Brazilian tax authorities, which adds significant costs and
psychological pressure on the old and infirm before they are allowed
to receive their pensions. All this because the finance minister in
his ignorance of conditions outside Norway have made the retirement a
hell for a small group of people
me provide some information about the facts:
is a country with 186 million inhabitants, Norway's population would
fit into a medium sized city here. The systems that control this
population is not necessarily as flexible as the Norwegian tax
system, nor have the employees much education and has been instructed
to perform few and simple tasks to carry out in his position,which
must be followed to the letter and allows NO variations which could
cost them their job . Moreover, for the economy to go around in this
vast country, they employ people with little or no education at the
lowest possible wage of R$ 450 per month or approx. US$ 250.- With
this salary only the bare essentials are done and there are no prizes
for trying to do something out of the ordinary which you are
unfamiliar with, it will only cause trouble.
minimum pensioners normally live in resort towns along the coast
which lie many hours of travel
from capital cities or larger cities where you only have access to
tax officials of lower rank and experience. If able to connect with a
more senior official in one of the major cities, he will often use
the Brazilian 'jeito' rather than to try to solve your problem. He
often have no idea what or where Norway is, far less familiar with
the contents of a tax treaty signed with Norway in 1980, and have no
idea about the 15% source tax which has not yet been re-negotiated by
Norway and which, in addition deprives Brazil of significant tax
income. As most of us speak the language rather poorly it means that
we must engage both an interpreter as well as a lawyer to be present
at such meetings with the Brazilian tax authorities. These visits can
easily cost a couple of months pension.
minister of finance's demand for a 'Certificate of Residence' from
the tax authorities as well as
confirming this non-renegotiated tax treaty between Norway and
Brazil, is an impossible task, where
the minimum pensioners are given administrative duties. This also
conflicts with Norwegian
law. I have submitted proof of residence as well as tax
identification reference (CPF) which all domiciled foreigners must
have in Brazil. Further, I have submitted passwords certified copy of
my tax status as 'REGULAR' which means that I am up-to-date with my
tax. The Norwegian government pension office has sent my pension
payment advice to my address for 8 years and in addittion a
'living-certificate' every year, so they should have registered my
residence. Yet this is not accepted by the Norwegian Finance Minister
and the 15% tax deduction continues.
received the initial advice from the tax office about the source tax
via a form I received from the Norwegian tax tax office at the end of
November 2009. I responded with several e-mails and faxes from the
1st December, but received negative responses in the post only 3
months afterwards. Since then I have fought with all the tax
departments which all make the same unrealistic requests and would
not listen or help in my desperate financial situation.
have sent extensive faxes and e-mails to both the prime minister, the
finance minister, the Norwegian tax office and our House of
Parliament but with very little feedback. It does not appear that
anyone is interested in our fate and that our small group of senior
citizens residing abroad will be an acceptable 'sausage
in the slaughter house
' as a sacrifice on the alter of the source tax.
you for your attention ..
Sao Paulo – Brazil
This letter was sent to all the members of the Norwegian Parliament
as well as
Norwegian Inland Revenue Department and other government departments.